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“I’ve had a lot of conversations with [organizations] and they’ve largely been in reaction mode — that’s a difficult place to be, and it’s hard to navigate in really volatile environments if you’re constantly reacting.”

Burke: When there’s a lot of uncertainty in the world, employees look to leaders for certainty and clarity, so I hope one of the things we talk about is the importance of being really clear on what’s staying consistent and the very basics on how you’re looking out for people.

“A lot of employers have told us they’re focusing on inclusion or sustainability partly because the employees they’re trying to recruit are demanding it,” he said.

“Most of the time, people say money, but sometimes, you’ll hear something you didn’t think of that might mean a lot to that person.”

She confided that “there were a lot of people around [her] that planted some really bad seeds.”